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Data:     Mon, 30 Mar 2026 06:48:27 -0700
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  bBynb: hcDumas Walker bto cVILENIHILIST bon cFri Mar 27 2026 10:51 amn

 > > This is the thing. I'm no Biden st > > the actual left (not just
 > > "Democrats") are of the same mind. > > Biden and the dems did botch many
 > > aspects of their immigration polic > > which then made room for Trump's
 > > horrific xenophobia
 > > to gain traction and become policy > 
 > We agree here 100%.  The Biden admin > would have been better off going bac > to whatever the Obama admin was doin > It probably wasn't near perfect,
 > either, but it worked better than wh > they did/didn't do and probably
 > would have satisfied all but the mos > left-leaning Democrats.
 > 
 > > Now, on the subject of flight risk > > I would just say that the issue is > > the ability to overclassify people > > We should use the actual apparatus > > of the state to actually DETERMINE > > who would be a flight risk, not
 > > just do it as a matter of course,
 > > which is my part of my point.
 > > If you just blanket classify peopl > > we arrive right back where we are
 > > now. That is why it is bad policy  > > do.
 > 
 > I would agree in the case of people  > know something about.  The problem
 > here is that US law enforcement may  > have any past history with these
 > people.  Treating them like they are > not a flight risk, blanket or not,
 > while not knowing anything about the > is a worse policy.
 > 
 > > There is a right way to do this.
 > > I don't think there's a "middle" w > > to do this,
 > 
 > I think the correct way is likely go > to be closer to a "middle" way than
 > to the either side of the political
 > spectrum way.
 > 
 > > but I do think the
 > > left I often talk to doesn't do
 > > enough to consider how people are
 > > living out on the border states,
 > 
 > Agree.
 > 
 > > and the right, in particular the
 > > MAGA right, refuses to
 > > acknowledge the facts that
 > > most of the things they complain
 > > about are NOT tied to immigration
 > > but rather to a combo of market
 > > forces and refusal to stamp out
 > > corruption and financial power
 > > by our politicians from the
 > > local level on up.
 > 
 > I agree with the last bit re:
 > corruption.  Some of what they compl > about certainly is tied to immigrati > and a combo of forces -- HRC's stint > SOS and the Biden admin's, and/or th > person he named as border czar's,
 > failures -- that certainly won't be
 > fixed by anything the left comes up
 > with.
 > 
 > Which takes me back to the correct w > is likely somewhere in the political > middle and not the way either politi > extreme has or would want it handled > 
 > > Punishing people that actuall have > > nothin to do with the real problem > > does nothing but hurt our country. > 
 > I agree that rounding people up in t > streets falls into this "nothing but > hurt" category.  Turning them away a > the border, or holding them somewher > until their court date comes up, doe > not.
 > 
 > 
 >  * SLMR 2.1a * Southern DOS: Y'all
 > reckon? (Yep/Nope)

I have only small points of
disagreement with you on this, but
nothing that is easily discussed
through writing; some things are
expressed better in person via voice.
Otherwise I can reach a point of
agreement in that. I will clarify
though that what I mean is that the
issues based in immigration, such as
they are, are based in the forces I
mentioned; they didn't sppontaneously
occur on their own. There is a class ofAmerican exploiting all of us and
foreigners who come here, and that,
plus American interventionism, is a bigdriver of the illegal immigration that
animate the conservative mind. And if
you approach it from that perspective,
you will find that neither party is
eager to address the underlying cause
of that immigration.

Dems and Reps will not hold the
business classes responsible for their
role, they won't enforce labor laws
that would reduce the incentive to havethis underclass of workers, and in
Trump's unique case, he has gutted
USAID so the chance to use soft power
to help foreign governments and thus
reduce the issues that drive mass
exodus to the US has been vastly
weakened.

This of course is becaue ultimately thewealthy benefit from the less wealthy
underpaying the destitute because they
have nothing and are desperate. 



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