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Assunto: Re: Ring of Fire/Saturday Nig
De: Weatherman
Data: Mon, 18 May 2026 09:00:17 -0600
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Wow, my apologies for that post. Looks like crap. Forgot to set my text
editor to 80 columns, and the wrap looks like it happened at column 108 or
something. Ooops!
> -=> Logic44 wrote to All <=-
> Lo> Thread for cheap compact handguns like the Raven 25.
> Lo> The Raven 25 is a low cost, cast ZAMAK .25 ACP pocket pistol, possibly
> Lo> a Browning 1905 clone.
> Lo> It has a capacity of 6+1, and has a 2 inch fixed barrel.
> Lo> It uses a simple single action striker-fired design, the gun must be
> Lo> cycled to prime it.
> I have to admit to a fondness for mouseguns in general. In terms of
> "Saturday Night Specials" I've got a Sundance A25 and a slightly higher tier
> Phoenix HP25A. Also have a pair of NAA .22 WMR revolvers, a Standard
> Manufacturing "Switch-Gun" in .22 WMR, a Baretta 950BS in .22 short. I've
> also got a VERY nice Colt 1908 "vest-pocket" pistol in .25 ACP. There's
> also an interesting EIG model E-16 4-barreled pistol in the safe.
> I'd have to say that my Sundance A25 and your Raven 25 are probably a LOT
> closer in design to anything Browning might have produced. In fact, if I
> were to consider anything a clone of that 1905 Browning it would be my Colt
> 1908.
> An AI comparison of the Raven and the 1905 - which DOES appear to be highly
> accurate:
> The Browning 1905 (FN Model 1905) and the Raven .25 are both .25 ACP "mouse
> guns" designed for deep concealment. The Browning is a premium, historically
> significant John Moses Browning design, whereas the Raven is a
> mass-produced, inexpensive Saturday Night Special.Key Comparison
> Feature Browning Model 1905 / Baby Browning Raven MP-25
> Origin/Era Designed in 1905, manufactured by Produced from the
> 1970s to the 1990s
> FN and Colt (as the 1908 Vest Pocket). by Raven Arms.
>
> Build Quality High. Precision-machined steel and Low. Zinc alloy
> castings (often
> excellent fit and finish. referred to as a
> "Saturday Night
> Special").
>
> Action Striker-fired, single-action, Striker-fired,
> singleaction,
> blowback-operated. blowback-operated.
>
> Safety Features Includes a manual safety and a Features a simple
> thumb safety;
> distinct grip safety . lacks a grip
> safety.
>
> Reliability Generally excellent and highly Mixed; frequently
> suffers from
> reliable. feedingissues and
> part breakage.
>
> Collectibility High. Highly sought after by military Low. Valued mostly
> as an inexpensive
> and firearms historians. plinker or novelty
>
> The Caliber: .25 ACPBoth pistols are chambered in .25 ACP, a cartridge
> designed by John Browning in 1905. He created it to serve as a reliable,
> centerfire alternative to the .22 Long Rifle (which suffered from poor
> reliability in semi-automatic actions at the time). The .25 ACP is extremely
> manageable to shoot, but it is considered quite weak for modern personal
> defense, producing low velocity and limited penetration.
> The Bottom Line
> If you want a piece of history: The Browning is the way to go. It is a
> masterpiece of early 20th-century gunsmithing, features exceptional
> craftsmanship, and holds legitimate historical value.
> If you want a cheap shooter/beater: The Raven may appeal as a
> budget-friendly range toy. However, due to its cast-zinc components, it is
> not recommended for daily carry or serious use.
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