BBS:      TELESC.NET.BR
Assunto:  Re: Bbsing
De:       poindexter FORTRAN
Data:     Mon, 16 Feb 2026 10:31:00 -0800
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-=> Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

 pF> If alien voter fraud is an issue, then acceptable identification should
 pF> be free.

 Ga> Nope.  Alien  (and especially voting) is a CRIME.  Making it
 Ga> legal by a free ID is wrong, as the person is still an illegal alien.

No, the idea is to require voter ID and make acceptable ID available for
free to citizens - not provide IDs to illegal aliens to vote.

The heritage foundation reported 77 cases of illegal alien voter fraud
between 2003 and 2023. The SAVE act is about disenfranchising voters.

 pF> other election for President or Vice President, for electors for
 pF> President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in
 pF> Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any
 pF> State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."

 pF> Otherwise, it's a poll tax.

 Ga> Bullshit.  It's a requirement to prove you are a citizen.  I'm pretty
 Ga> sure there are free state ID's in many cases.  They don't have a social
 Ga> security number?  That's an example of a free ID.  How about a fucking
 Ga> birth certificate or naturalization certificate?

 You may want to re-read the requirements of the SAVE act. A verified
 SSN is needed in many states (if not all) to register to vote, but the
 SAVE act is requiring additional proof at time of voting.

 Millions lack access to a paper copy of their birth certificate. The
 SAVE Act would disenfranchise Americans of all ages and races, but
 younger voters and voters of color would suffer disproportionately.
 Likewise, millions of women whose married names arenican citizens to show
 documents like a passport or birth certificate to register to vote. Our
 research shows that more than 21 million Americans lack ready access to
 those documents.

 Ga> How do you reconcile the fact that nobody bitches about having to show
 Ga> an ID to buy liquor/cigarretes, or to cash a check, or a thousand other
 Ga> things?  Why is having to do that for VOTING such a burden on anybody?

 Last I checked, I didn't need to show a passport and proof of residency
 for any of those things.

As always, digging a little deeper pays off. The SAVE America act,
the senate form of the bill, requires a passport or birth certificate to
register and cast a ballot, unless the state submits their voter rolls
to DHS for verification - something the courts have overturned.



 
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