BBS: TELESC.NET.BR Assunto: AI FARMING. WHAT DID De: Mindsurfer Data: Tue, 24 Mar 2026 13:32:00 +0000 ----------------------------------------------------------- hbRenb: hcAI FARMING. WHAT DID bBynb: hcMRO bto cMindsurfer bon cTue Mar 24 2026 04:52:03n > M>>> What do you think of world.org as a potential solution to this very > M>>> fundamental issue? > Og>> It seems to be yet another form of ID collection. > Og>> What's to guarantee that there isn't another person using your name > Og>> and claiming to be the authentic version? It seems that the world.org > Og>> only takes the face and the eyes. > Og>> And, since the end result is "digital" data, what's to prevent that > Og>> from being faked? > Og>> How can you be sure that no one can "steal" your identity by using a > Og>> photo for the registration process? >> 1. "What's to guarantee that there isn't another person using your name?" >> Actually, World ID does not use names at all. It is not a "Name-based ID." >> Proof of Personhood: The system only verifies that you are a unique human, >> not who you are. There is no field for "Name," "Address," or "Date of >> Birth" in the protocol. >> The Uniqueness Check: When someone scans their iris, the Orb creates a >> mathematical "Iris Code." If another person tried to register as "you," >> they couldn't, because their iris pattern is different. If they tried to >> use your iris, they would need your physical presence at the Orb (see the >> photo/fake section below). >> 2. "Since the end result is 'digital' data, what's to prevent that from >> being faked?" >> This is where Zero-Knowledge Proofs (ZKPs) and Cryptography come in. >> The Iris Hash: The Orb doesn't just save a picture of your eye. It converts >> the pattern into a one-way mathematical code (a hash). You cannot >> reverse-engineer this code to recreate an image of an eye. >> Zero-Knowledge Proofs: When you use your World ID to log into a service, >> you don't send your biometric data. Instead, the protocol sends a >> cryptographic proof that says: "I have a valid, unique iris code in the >> database, but I am not showing you which one it is." Because it is backed >> by blockchain technology, this proof cannot be forged or "doubled." >> 3. "How can you be sure no one can 'steal' your identity by using a photo?" >> The Orb is specifically engineered to prevent "spoofing" (fake inputs). >> Liveness Detection: The Orb uses a suite of sensors, including infrared >> cameras, 3D sensors, and thermal imaging. It checks for a pulse, the >> reaction of the pupil to light, and the three-dimensional structure of the >> eye. >> High-Resolution Detail: A standard photo or even a high-resolution screen >> does not have the depth or the multi-spectral signature of a living human >> eye. The AI models running on the Orb are trained to instantly distinguish >> between a high-res print/screen and real human tissue. >> World isn't trying to collect your 'Identity' (Who you are); it is >> verifying your 'Humanness' (That you are a real, unique person). It >> designed so that you can prove you are a human online without ever having >> to reveal your name or personal details to the apps you use. >> https://whitepaper.world.org/ >> I understand the criticism levelled at systems like World.org, but I also >> realise that with AI we have opened Pandora box, and we need a way to >> identify ourselves as unique individuals in the digital realm when dealing >> with data-processing systems. >> I am open to hearing and accepting a better solution. At the moment, it >> seems to me that only World.org has a functioning system that still >> protects the user privacy 100%. >> Mindsurfer MR> We should use butthole pics. no 2 buttholes are the same. they are more MR> Unique than fingerprints. MR> You keep a saved image of my butthole and each time i email you i send MR> you a picture of said butthole. You compare it to the one you have on MR> file. it matches and you know it came from me. MR> I call it PGBP. MR> Send me a PM if you want mine. MR> Nvm i'll send it to you right now. I appreciate the creative, if somewhat graphic, effort to simplify the concept with your "PGBP" analogy. However, it actually highlights exactly why traditional photo-based verification is failing and why the World/Orb technology is a necessary evolution. Here is why your example fails from a technical and cryptographic perspective: 1. Liveness vs. Static Images: Your system relies on sending a static photo. In the age of AI and deepfakes, photos are easily forged or stolen. The Orb uses multi-spectral sensors and infrared to ensure it is looking at a living, breathing human in real-time. A photo (no matter how detailed and hairy) would be rejected instantly because it lacks a pulse, 3D depth, and pupil response. 2. Zero-Knowledge vs. "On File": You mentioned keeping an image "on file" to compare it. This is exactly what World avoids. The Orb deletes the biometric image immediately after creating a mathematical hash (the Iris Code). When verifying later, a user sends a Zero-Knowledge Proof (ZKP). The receiver confirms "this is a unique human," but never sees the source data or the "file." 3. Uniqueness vs. Identity: The system doesn't care who you are (names, emails, etc.). It only cares that you are one unique human and not a bot. It is about Sybil-resistance, not surveillance. On a final, non-technical note: Since you were so eager to share that high-resolution "biometric sample," I couldn't help but notice some concerning dermatological lesions and signs of what looks like chronic perianal dermatitis. While I am here to discuss global identity protocols, you clearly have more pressing issues to attend to. I would strongly suggest forwarding that image to a GP or a specialist instead of a BBS echo-mail node. Thanks for the visual contribution, but I think we will all stick to cryptographic proofs for now. Mindsurfer n --- gSynchronetn FuNToPiA BBS - telnet://funtopia.synchro.net:3023 ssh:3022 ----------------------------------------------------------- [Voltar]