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Assunto:  Re: Commodore 64 Ultimate Starlight
De:       Dennis Katsonis
Data:     Sun, 12 Apr 2026 11:25:58 +1000
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  Re: Re: Commodore 64 Ultimate Starlight
  By: Mortar M. to Dennis Katsonis on Sat Apr 11 2026 01:41 pm

 >   Re: Re: Commodore 64 Ultimate Starlight
 >   By: Dennis Katsonis to marika on Fri Apr 10 2026 22:44:14
 > 
 >  > To be frank, C64 basic wasn't that great, even back then.
 > 
 > Agreed.  Considering the number of Commodore micros already in the wild, you
 > think they'd have improved the BASIC for the VIC and 64, as these were inten
 > for non-computer savvy people.
 > 
 >  > My first computer was a VZ 200, which predated the C64 (I think it was so
 >  > as a V-Tech 200 in the US.
 > 
 > I vaguely remember reading about this in magazines, but never actually seen
 > one.  After looking it up online, I can see why.  It was only around for two
 > year and had low specs.  No way could it have competed with the likes of the
 > C=64 or even the Atari 400.  However, it did not pre-date the 64.  The VZ-20
 > came out in '83, while the 64 came out a year earlier.

I got the VZ200 in 1991, quite a bit after it release.  My parents got it at a
garage sale cheap (buying a new computer was a bit much back then, just for me
to use).  It was a bit dissapointing as I wanted the Atari 1040STE, but as I
had just been introduced to BASIC at school, it was fun to try BASIC at home,
and draw graphics and make basic games.

Dick Smith started an electronics store called, Dick Smith Electronics, and the
VZ 200 was their rebrand, sold with his face on it.

A little later that year, they got a Vic 20 at a garage sale, which had better
graphics, but lacked the drawing commands.  A little later, the C64 came, again
second hand.  You could do sprites, but again, no graphics.  Not without
entering some other machine code subroutines.

I suppose they had to get it out quick, and once it was out, you can't patch
it.
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