BBS: TELESC.NET.BR Assunto: Re: #1 in Google De: Ward Dossche Data: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 02:04:54 +0100 ----------------------------------------------------------- Hello Dan, DC> MvV> ,865,Lucas_Visions,Mortsel,Luc_Sienaert,-Unpublished-,300,U,MOB ... DC> Yep, I just finished reading the article. Those MOB nodes make no more DC> sense than the invalid 2:2/29 entry. Sure would like to know the DC> actual/real reason that Ward wants such things in the nodelist, and how DC> he justifies disregarding P4 so blatantly. I'm not certain how the concept of user-flags is interpreted in Z1, or even if it is used at all, but this is what FTS-5001.006 showed when I went looking: **************************************************************************** 6.1 Format Of User Flags .... Entries following the "U" flag must be of a technical or administrative nature. While experimentation of new software functions using this flag is encouraged, advertisement is strictly prohibited. **************************************************************************** Pls read carefully "While experimentation of new software functions using this flag is encouraged..." As it was, the developper of Aftershock Anatoly Vdovichev claimed he was working on technology which would allow his product, which basically is a primitive mail-out only system on Android, to accept a kind of inbound-connections as long as there was WiFi connectivity. He requested a specific user-flag AFS to indicate a mobile node using an Aftershock implementation. That was Sept.8 2017 ... close to 9 years ago. Mind you, that is the time frame Michiel is referencing. The same day, for identical reasons another user-flag HDG was introduced to indicate a mobile node using an HotdogEd implementation (HotdogEd being also a primitive mail-out only system on Android). As a catch-all measure for any software surfacing with the same intentions, I invented the MOB user-flag indicating a mobile node using an unidentified platform or implementation. Sept.11 2017. Sept 23 2017 Because of redundancies AFS- and HDG-user-flags were discontinued. Only MOB remained for these testing purposes and a number of entries were introduced into the nodelist. The development went nowhere and the user-flag was scrapped in 2022. Please tell me what your problem is when a developer wants to attempt something which the FTSC-pope from the Netherlands doesn't like? The intention was to have hand-held nodes which would work from anywhere without any set-up tinckering ... you live in the US, go to South Africa, flip open your phone and get served with your mail without having to initiate anything or wade through set-up files... Over the years there have been other weird/funny flags which you could say are a violation of something somewhere .... for example the BEER user-flag, AVI4 and AVI6. You need a list so you can become upset and thinking you have discovered the holy grail? DC> I have a hope that he might jump in here and shed some light, but as a DC> medical precaution I won't be holding my breath. What kind of a preposterous assumption is that? If a person approaches me respectfully, I will deal with it respectfully ... not in how you're proceeding here wihout understanding what you are dealing with. To quote my good friend Nick Andre, indeed... "good friend", "Everyone thinks that the work of a ZC is limited to producing a nodelist weekly. it is so much more that no one ever sees." He reminded me of that wisdom last week when we were on the phone for close to an hour ironing out a myriad of things. 2:2/29 ?? I don't understand at all what the problem is with a nodelist entry from a guy you don't know, who doesn't interest you, who doesn't bother you and whom you're certainly not going to try to crashmail. Don't tell me that the presence of that one node limits how you can enjoy your Fidonet hobby. But if absolute compliance with P4 is such a holy cow from your perspective the weekly nodelist production is the task of the IC, not a ZC .... any ZC ...as stated in P4, but you haven't stumbled upon that yet either. \%/@rd --- DB4 - 20230201 * Origin: Many Glacier - Preserve / Protect / Conserve (2:292/854) ----------------------------------------------------------- [Voltar]